What is the Age of Perimenopause? | MomCave LIVE

If you’ve been wondering what the age of perimenopause is, this episode is for you! The co-hosts of Circling the Drain podcast help us figure out what it means to be in perimenopause and when it may happen to you. While this episode is chock full of useful information, this IS MomCave LIVE after all. Somehow, we got onto the subject of “butt pellets” and couldn’t keep a straight face!

What’s the Age of Perimenopause? | Circling the Drain Podcasts Hosts | MomCave LIVE

Perimenopause: The Period Before You Stop Getting Your Period

Jen: Hello, world, welcome to “MomCave LIVE” where we may have lost our minds, but we haven’t lost our sense of humor. I’m Jen, and I have two guests today because they are the cohosts of the podcast, “Circling the Drain.” And “Circling the Drain” is… Let me see if I get your tagline right.

Ellie Dunn: Okay.

Jen: It’s about the period before you stop getting your period.

Ellie Dunn: That’s perfect.

Julia Granacki: That is correct, that’s exactly perfect.

Jen: It’s brilliant, did you hire a copywriter for that?

Ellie Dunn: That’s me.

Julia Granacki: No, yeah. Can I say that any brilliant tagline that comes out of anything that we do is all Ellie? It’s got nothing to do with me and we didn’t hire a professional, Ellie is the professional.

Ellie Dunn: Thanks, Julia.

Jen: Well, that’s what I love about Ellie, she’s clever, she has her way with words and some of the words are naughty, but…

Julia Granacki: Most.

Ellie Dunn: Most.

Where To Find The Circling The Drain Podcast

Jen: A lot of them are, so even though it’s the middle of the day, your children shouldn’t watch this broadcast. They hopefully are in school, if they’re of age, and yeah. And speaking of age, the age of perimenopause is what we’re gonna talk about, right?

Ellie Dunn: Yes, yes.

Jen: Yeah, you guys tell everybody quickly where they can find the podcast and just a little… What is it? Before we go into this whole age of perimenopause situation?

Ellie Dunn: Julia?

Julia Granacki: Well, you can find us wherever you get your podcast. We are everywhere, we’re on Spotify, Apple, Stitcher, all the places.

Jen: The places.

Ellie Dunn: Yeah, everywhere.

Jen: The websites, the Facebook.

Julia Granacki: Yes, you can get it, you can go right to our website and listen there, yeah.

Ellie Dunn: The website is circlingthedrainpodcast.com, that’s probably the easiest place because it links to everything else.

Jen: Right, right.

Julia Granacki: That’s right.

Jen : And if you are watching this, you are on either Instagram or YouTube or Facebook so you know that they’re on those places. And you put out a new episode every week?

Ellie Dunn: Every other week.

Julia Granacki: Every other week.

Jen: I like that, it’s biweekly.

Julia Granacki: We are biweekly because we-

Ellie Dunn: Have lives.

Busy Women & Production Teams

Julia Granacki: Like most women, we have a lot going on. We have lives and jobs and things and so I would love to put this out every week, so if anyone out there wants to give us money and produce our show, we’ll gladly put one out once a week-

Ellie Dunn: Every week.

Julia Granacki: Happy to do it, yeah.

Jen: Oh, totally, same here with MomCave, we need to hire a whole production team for all of our things.

Julia Granacki: I love it.

Ellie Dunn: I don’t think people would believe it if they knew, Jen, what all the different things that you do and all the things that we do behind the scenes to make what appears to be just a simple little thing that you put out into the world, it’s a lot.

Julia Granacki: Yeah.

Jen: It’s a lot. In fact, I should mention that on MomCave today, on Fridays, we usually have a new episode of “The Breakdown with Bethany,” and that is coming out at some point today so we have that happening today and this is happening today, and a “Little League” game and work and life. And I just vacuumed my bedroom, so it’s all good.

Ellie Dunn: Amazing.

Julia Granacki: Yeah, amazing. Yeah, gotta fit in the vacuuming where you can.

Jen: Gotta get the vacuuming, it’s been way too long. Hi, Sherry, she says, “Hi ladies, so many great, funny moms out there.” We love when people comment and we want to take questions because this is a thing that we have a lot of questions about. Okay, so we’re gonna talk about, we all know what perimenopause is, we’ve talked about that here before, but what really gets me is the age, it’s not like you flip the switch and you have your party, “Congratulations, you’re in perimenopause,” right? The range of age of perimenopause is much more amorphous.

Ellie Dunn: Right.

Julia Granacki: Yeah.

Jen: Yeah.

What IS The Age of Perimenopause?

Ellie Dunn: I have the Mayo Clinic description of perimenopausal open on my computer.

Julia Granacki: Oh, of course, she does. Of course, she does.

Ellie Dunn: And the reason I do is that it’s really helpful and then it becomes really unhelpful. So I’m gonna read the part that’s helpful. I’ll summarize the part that’s helpful.

Jen: Okay.

Ellie Dunn: So perimenopause means around menopause, that is the actual-

Jen: Around.

Ellie Dunn: Definition of the word perimenopause and-

Jen: Pause right there, it doesn’t mean-

Ellie Dunn: It’s around.

Jen: Before or after, it doesn’t mean before, it means around.

Ellie Dunn: Right, but it should mean before because menopause is actually 365 days after you’ve gotten your last period, then you’ve crossed over into menopause. So perimenopause really is the period before, and it marks the end of the reproductive years, but it’s also called the menopausal transition, right? So you’re asking about age, women start perimenopause at different ages. I know you want a clear answer-

Jen: But you’re not giving a clear one,

Ellie Dunn: But you’re gonna have one. It says…

Your Mom’s Perimenopause Age Matters

Julia Granacki: Yeah, we would say though, that typically, you can look to your own mother‘s age of perimenopause to understand where that might begin for you, so typically, you mimic the pattern of your mother, so if your mother is still with us, if you have an open relationship with your mother where you talk about such things, it’s a good conversation to have with her to say, “Hey, mom, when did you start getting your first hot flash? How old were you?”

Ellie Granacki: If they even remember, ’cause mine doesn’t really.

Jen: Yours doesn’t?

Ellie Dunn: No, she like… I remember it more than she does, but it generally happens sometime in your 40s, but many women notice changes as early as their mid-30s.

Julia Granacki: For me, it was probably around 38, so for me, it was in my 30s, yeah.

Ellie Dunn: Yeah.

Ellie Dunn: So scientifically…

Jen: No, go ahead.

Stages Of Female Life

Jen: The confusing thing to me about menopause and all these stages of female life, right? Is that every stage that you’re in, something goes wrong, like your period is irregular or you feel shitty in general, and you go to your doctor and they say, “Oh, that’s just your hormones, that’s just because you are…” First, it’s like puberty, then it’s, “Oh, you’re getting ready to have babies,” and then it’s, “You are pregnant,” and then it’s, “You had babies.” There’s never a time where it’s just cut and dried, this is the stage we’re in and this is what happens, this is the age of perimenopause.. they just use the weirdness that we feel and just chalk it up to like, in general, you’re a female, that’s what it is.

Julia Granacki: It’s different for everyone and if you listen to… Everyone should tune in and listen to our latest episode with Donna Klassen, she’s a licensed psychologist, and she talks about the four, I think she says there are four stages of vulnerability for women, and that is, puberty, when you get your period, when you are pregnant, post-pregnancy, and I think, and the state of menopause. Is that right, Ellie, from whatever you call.

Mental Health Vulnerability During Perimenopause

Ellie Dunn: Yes, she was specifically alluding to mental health vulnerability.

Ellie Dunn: Mental health vulnerability. Yeah, and that’s true. So these are the different stages that we can put a finger on and say, “Well, you should be alert, you should pay attention to what’s going on with you at these times. For me, because I’m not a mother, I skipped those other parts, but I’ve experienced the other things and so it’s good to pay attention to what’s going on with your body so that you can be aware that, hey, something’s going on, maybe I should talk to a doctor, or if you’re experiencing depression, it’s time to seek some professional help, like that thing.

Ellie Dunn: Well, and the reason that mental health vulnerability periods are important to know is that you may think you are clinically depressed or clinically anxious, when in fact you are depressed or anxious, but those are symptoms of the hormonal changes and the subtle difference in that definition is important because it affects how you would treat those feelings.

Julia Granacki: Right, for example, it could be taking a regular dose of estrogen might be the answer for you, or if you have a history of estrogenic cancer in your family and that’s not an option, then doing an antidepressant, a low dose antidepressant might be the right thing to go to, but what’s important to know is that there are options out there, you don’t have to suffer. But it’s important to speak to a professional about what you’re going through, but the hard part is, circling back here, is finding the professional that’s gonna listen to you and treat you properly, that’s the hard part.

Are There Specialists For Perimenopause And Menopause?

Jen: Are there doctors that specialize only in perimenopause and menopause?

Ellie Dunn: There should be, and that’s what a lot of organizations are working towards. We’ve learned in this process of this podcast that doctors get one hour of training on menopause in their entire education, can you even imagine?

Jen: No.

Ellie Dunn: And now figure, if we start perimenopause in our mid-30s, half of our lives as women are spent in this period of hormonal changes, but doctors spend one hour on it-

Jen: Wow.

Ellie Dunn: In school, that’s effed up.

Jen: That’s so effed up.

Julia Granacki: It’s not acceptable.

Changing The Conversation

Julia Granacki: So the doctors that focus on this age of perimenopause and menopause are few and far between, but as we’ve talked about, we’re really trying to get the word out, ’cause we wanna see more of that, but there are some great organizations we could shout out, “Let’s Talk Menopause,” they’re really changing the conversation around menopause. We also love “Elektra.” “Elektra” provides-

Ellie Dunn: That’s with a K, Elektra Health.

Julia Granacki: With a K, “Elektra Health.” They provide amazing services, and if you’re confused and don’t know where to go, those are both really great places to start. And also talking to your friends because I promise you, if you’re going through it, your friend’s going through it.

Jen: Yeah, definitely. That reminds me, Julia, when we’re finished with this, will you put those organizations in the comments because I’ll never remember them and I want everybody to find a way to get to them, good.

Julia Granacki: Sure.

Pellets In Her Butt

Jen: We have a comment on Facebook that I just have to read because of its hilarity. And Carrie Riley says that Dena Blizzard, who we all know as One Funny Mother, “she got pellets in her butt and it worked great for her.” What the hell is she talking about?

Ellie Dunn: Hormonal pellets?

Julia Granacki: Yeah, I’ve got very strong opinions about that. So the pellet is popular in that it’s a set it and forget it, right? You’ve got a pellet typically, and I don’t know what she’s got in the pellet, but typically, it’s estrogen, progesterone, and testosterone. It’s your HRT all in like a tiny pellet, but sometimes it’s just testosterone. So I don’t know what it is that she has in her pellet, but they put it in your butt and it slowly releases the hormones, I think for like three months or four months, so it’s a long period, ’cause a lot of people don’t wanna deal with patches-

Jen: Right, I see.

Julia Granacki: Or creams or that thing. So I think that if it works for you, that’s great, but this is just my opinion.

Jen: Of course, we are not medical experts.

Don’t Go Straight To The Butt

Julia Granacki: I am not a medical expert, but as a health coach and as someone working in this space, if this is your first tango with HRT, I always think it’s better to start with a cream or a patch because you really don’t know where you stand and how that’s going to affect you, and when you have a pellet in your body, if you have too much of something, you have to have it removed and you don’t know that it’s a problem until it’s a problem, whereas if you’re having an issue and you’re using a cream, your doctor can say, “Okay, make that two clicks on your cream instead of one-click,” it’s usually a dial, right?

Jen: Well, I just think that in general, if you’re going to put anything into your butt, you should really think about it and be cautious about it, and know what you’re doing first.

Julia Granacki: Agreed.

Jen: Don’t go straight to in the butt. Never go straight to in the butt.

Julia Granacki: Don’t go straight to in the butt, but again, I think it’s a great solution for a lot of people and if it works for you, I’m thrilled. I myself, I’m very interested in it, I’m not ready to try it, but I think especially if you are post-menopausal when you really are set it and forget it, I think that’s a little bit better, but to each their own, but that’s the deal with the pellets, that’s it.

Ellie Dunn: I’m gonna chime in as not a wellness coach, but just someone with somewhat of a comedy background and comment on the fact that men, I’m gonna guess that men aren’t sitting around on Facebook Live talking about their health problems and considering putting pellets in their butt.

Jen: Pellets their butt.

Julia Granacki: No.

Jen: No, no.

If they do-

NOT The Butt Hole

Julia Granacki: And to be clear, it’s not in your butt hole,

Jen: Oh, it’s not?

Julia Granacki: No.

Jen: I had never heard this before this podcast.

Julia Granacki: Oh my God, it’s not in your butt hole, it’s not a suppository, no, it’s a pellet-

Jen: Thank God.

Julia Granacki: And they inject it, it’s some subcutaneous.

Jen: Oh.

Jen: Into the skin of your derriere.

Julia Granacki: Into the skin of your derriere. It does not go in your butt hole, good Lord, ladies, no.

Jen: Well, Ellie and I have that comedy background and that’s where our minds always go automatically.

Ellie Dunn: Butt pellet, that’s what it sounds like.

Jen: Butt pellet, totally. That’s something else probably, Ellie.

Julia Granacki: It is, I have ulcerative colitis and I do use butt suppositories for my butt hole, but my butt hole-

Jen: I never knew you were gonna talk so much about butt things today, but I’m thrilled that we are, go on.

Ellie Dunn: Expected.

Julia Granacki: Butt things. Yeah, love it.

Perimenopausal Outliers

Jen: Ah, okay. So what is the absolute earliest you have ever heard of a person starting their age of perimenopause?

Ellie Dunn: Mmh, that’s the-

Jen: What are the outliers? Does it ever happen really freakishly?

Julia Granacki: Well, if you have ovarian failure, which is a thing that happens to young women, young people, I should say, we want to encompass non-binary folks as well. If you experience ovarian failure, it could happen in your teens, it could happen in your 20s.

Jen: Right, right.

Julia Granacki: So there are medical and surgical reasons why one might go into perimenopause early. In terms of naturally just hitting, like I said, I think I started in my 30s, it’s different for everyone. What do you think, Ellie?

Ellie Dunn: I think the same. I think there are people who have cancer and they’re in chemo, and they have hysterectomies really early and they’re put into medical menopause, which can happen very, very young, but naturally, the 30s.

Jen: 30s.

Ellie Dunn: Early 30s is considered early, mid-30s is considered normal for the age of perimenopause but still on the early side and then 40s is average if we’re gonna generalize.

Jen: We’re totally generalizing.

Ellie Dunn: Totally generalizing. And I think the late 30s is normal. I think 40 is like the bullseye.

Ellie Dunn: Yeah.

Jen: Okay.

Sleep and Perimenopause

Ellie Dunn: And we should name some of the symptoms so that people listening or watching, who are experiencing some of these things might connect it with the hormonal changes that are the depletion of estrogen. So just briefly, some of the symptoms are irregular periods, which could mean more frequently, further apart, heavier, lighter, or any changes in periods. Hot flashes are the most commonly thought of one. Sleep problems, sleep disruptions-

Julia Granacki: For me, it was sleep-

Ellie Dunn: Me too.

Julia Dunn: Sleep disruptions started at the age of 38, I didn’t sleep for five years, I swear to God.

Jen: Oh my gosh.

Julia Granacki: Sleep disruption is a huge thing, which when you have kids I realize is also confusing.

Jen: It’s very confusing.

Hot, Cold, And Mood Changes

Ellie Dunn: Exactly, and hot and cold at night was for me a big, like I couldn’t get the right temperature and that was coming from inside of me. Mood changes-

Julia Granacki: It was coming from inside.

Ellie Dunn: From inside of my butt pellets. Mood changes, which again is such a tricky one, right? ‘Cause we’ve been living through a pandemic and we’ve all had mood changes, and then which ones are hormonal and which ones aren’t, but it’s a good thing to look at. Vaginal and bladder problems, changes in sexual function, sexual arousal, and sexual desire. Again, are you feeling this way because you have a million little kids who are driving you crazy and you’re depressed because of a pandemic, or because your hormones are changing? We don’t know, but it’s a good thing to have your eye on. And I think those are the main ones to point out-

Jen: Main.

Don’t Be Afraid To Seek Help

Ellie Dunn: There are so many, we could go on with a very, very long list, but if you’re experiencing any of those things and more than one at once, you might wanna think about considering that you might be entering the age of perimenopause and if you’re uncomfortable, seeking help.

Jen: Yeah, Carly commented she’s 46 and still hasn’t started perimenopause, she doesn’t think, good, good for you.

Ellie Dunn: Some people have no symptoms. Some people sail through and have no changes.

Jen: I wonder, Carly, if your mom, if your mother had a similar situation, I’d be interested to hear.

Cultural Differences Among Perimenopausal Women

Julia Granacki: Yeah, that’s a great question. I would also say that something very interesting about all of this too, is there are cultural differences. So women in Japan have a different experience than women in America, and this is, again, I’m not a scientist, I didn’t do like a study, but my opinion is that the way that women in America experience and process stress is very different from women in a lot of other countries, and I think that that has much to do with our symptoms and the way that we go through perimenopause. But again, there’s no scientific backing for that, that’s just what I think.

Jen: That’s your opinion, totally. I thought you were gonna say it’s maybe their diet.

Julia Granacki: And diet, 100%, thank you for mentioning that. I think we eat more processed foods. There are so many contributing factors in terms of diet and lifestyle, I think that really is working against us.

Jen: Yeah, yeah.

In Japan…

Jen: Tell me a little bit about how women in Japan experience perimenopause. Can you elaborate on that ’cause I’m fascinated?

Julia Granacki: Well, I’m just gonna call back to a wonderful webinar that I saw on HelloRevel, which is through “Let’s Talk Menopause” with Tamsen Fadal and another doctor, I cannot remember her name, but again, so, don’t nobody quote me, this is just what I can remember, my memory is not great, but I just don’t… There was just a difference, like some of these women didn’t get hot flashes, if they experienced anything at all. So there was just such a difference between… And that was just one particular culture that they called out to, it wasn’t us specifically. And by the way, as I’m saying this right now, I’m like, “Was it that webinar that I watched?” Did I get that information there, or did I read it? So excuse me, everyone, I also have a cold, so I’m doing that one.

Brain Fog

Ellie Dunn: And brain fog is another symptom brain for menopause.

Jen: Brain fog, right.

Julia Granacki: Brain fog.

Jen: You heard it somewhere, that’s fine, and you’re sharing it with us and we didn’t all know it.

Julia Granacki: Yeah, and that you can look up on the internet. So if you wanna dive a little deeper, just Google it, Google it.

Jen: Okay, what is the strangest symptom of perimenopause you’ve ever heard of?

Ellie Dunn: Hmm, strangest.

Famous In The Neighborhood

Jen: Strange, what is something you wouldn’t think is a symptom but apparently is a common symptom in the age of perimenopause.

Julia Granacki: Oh God, Ellie, there’s so many.

Ellie Dunn: So a good friend of mine who lives in my neighborhood stopped me on the street the other day to talk about our podcast and how much she’s enjoying it and she-

Jen: Ooh, you’re getting to be famous, Ellie.

Ellie Dunn: In my neighborhood.

Jen: In your neighborhood.

Ellie Dunn: It’s going nice.

Jen: Awesome.

Spatial Awareness

Ellie Dunn: In Sunnyside, Queens, and she said, “I gotta tell you something.” She said, “I am an amazing driver. I grew up in Mexico City, it’s really hard to learn to drive there, it’s rough, I’ve been driving since I was 15, and I’m such a good driver that even sometimes my husband can’t get into a parking spot and I’m like, “Get out, gimme the car, let me do this.” And she said, she’s in her early 40s, early-mid-40s, and she’s like, “Just recently, I’ve had three incidences where I’ve banged up, scraped up the car because I’ve misjudged,” her spatial awareness has changed.

Jen: Interesting.

Ellie Dunn: And we’ve talked-

Julia Granacki: Oh, that’s right.

Ellie Dunn: So the podcast about Julia and I hitting our heads and-

Jen: Like walking into things.

Ellie Dunn: Yes, because of spatial awareness and she connected with that and it’s translating to the operation of her vehicle and her inability to-

Jen: Oh, no.

Ellie Dunn: She formerly was so sharp and on it, she can’t quite navigate that space the way she could, so to me, that’s one of the weirdest ones, like a change in how you operate your vehicle being a-

Julia Granacki: Or a change in how you operate your body.

Jen: Right.

Ellie Dunn: Right.

Clumsiness

Julia Granacki: How you navigate your body in space. Yeah, Ellie and I have got great stories about like hitting our heads, and it’s just like, why can’t I get my body through the door without bumping into the side?

Jen: Totally, Sherry Taylor says, “I turn into a total klutz.”

Ellie Dunn: Yeah.

Julia Granacki: Yes.

Jen: And I’m one of those people that bruises really easily, so I’ve been walking into shit all the time and I look like I’m an abused person right now. I look like someone beats me up on a regular basis, but it’s just-

Ellie Dunn: Perimenopause.

Jen: It’s just the age of perimenopause.

Julia Granacki: My husband’s always like, “Where’d you get that from?” And I’m like, “I don’t know.”

Julia Granacki: I’ve got a big one now, and he’s like, “What did you do?” I’m like, “Uh, I don’t know.”

Ellie Dunn: “Can’t remember.” So the combination of the brain fog with the spatial awareness just means you will bump into things and then you won’t remember that you did it and you won’t remember why, you suddenly have a big green bruise on your thigh.

Jen: Totally.

Julia Granacki: Absolutely.

Ellie Dunn: It’s super sexy, y’all.

Embrace Being Okay With Chaos

Jen: I think what it really comes down to since we can’t… Everything is like, “Who knows, everything’s different for everyone else and all these things melt together,” it really comes down to that, we should just embrace being okay with chaos and not knowing where our bruises came from and all of that. And just be honest with people about it. Like Julia, you just said, “I thought I read it in that study, but maybe I didn’t, I don’t know.” Just to stop worrying so much about all of it. Now I’m postulating, that this is my theory, accepting of it all.

Ellie Dunn: My favorite thing from our episode that just went live on Wednesday with Donna Klassen, is she talks about this concept of radical acceptance and it’s not giving in, it’s not giving up, it’s resisting the urge to fight against and be upset about what is inevitably going to happen to you. So radical acceptance is like, okay, this is happening to me, I am bumping into things, I can’t sleep anymore, now what am I gonna do about it? Not shaking your fist at the world because it’s happening, which is only gonna exacerbate your aggression, your anxiety, your depression, your frustration, all of those things.

Jen: Or thinking that something is wrong with you. This doesn’t happen, something’s wrong with me, but if we all just tell everybody that we’re walking into shit all the time and we’re annoyed for no reason, then we’ll feel better.

Ellie Dunn: Yeah.

Owning What Is Happening

Julia Granacki: There is power. You’re giving the power back to yourself, right? Because you’re accepting where you are and then you can navigate through it when you’re just like, instead of fighting it, you’re just saying, “I’ve got the brain fog, okay, what can I do to support my brain better through this moment? Maybe I need to write…” Ellie and I were talking about this the other day, I never wrote anything down, I kept it all up here and now if I don’t write it down, I forget it. Or even at work with my boss, I’ll just be like, I have no idea what you said to me yesterday, you’re gonna have to repeat that.

Jen: Good.

Julia Granacki: But I’ve been with him for 13 years, I’m like, “You’re not gonna fire me ’cause I forgot,” you know what I mean? So I’m just like, “This is where I’m at, I can’t remember, please repeat yourself.”

Jen: Right, and it would’ve been way worse to try to remember and then get it wrong ’cause you didn’t remember and pretend you did remember.

Julia Granacki: Yeah, yeah, I’m way past that.

Ellie Dunn: You’re owning it, owning, it is just much more powerful.

Jen: Own your forgetfulness, for sure.

Ask Your Questions

Jen: Oh wow, okay. We could go on about this all day, I always have so many questions for you guys. I love listening to the podcast, I love that you send out the email. Get on their email list because they send out an email telling you when each podcast comes out, and they must be written by Ellie because they’re very clever and funny, and make you wanna watch.

Julia Granacki: How did you know they are all written by Ellie?

Jen: I know because they make you want to watch, watch, listen right away, so I’m always looking forward to those. Go find “Circling the Drain” on all of the places and send them messages, ask them your questions about the symptoms and age of perimenopause ’cause as you can see, they know a lot of things. They might not know where they learned them from, but they know them,

Ellie Dunn: And if we don’t know the answers, we’ll find someone good who does know where they learned it from and can give us the answer.

Jen: Awesome, awesome. So yeah, make sure Julia’s gonna put the things in the comments of the places that you can go to learn more about all of this, but just make this MomCave places, make the MomCave places, places we can be honest about these things. And you could talk to us about it and we could talk to you about it. Carly Daniels is asking on Facebook, the podcast, “Circling the Drain?” Yes, the podcast is called “Circling the Drain,” and I think they’re “Circling the Drain” on all of the social media things, right?

The Places We Hang Out

Julia Granacki: Yeah, and you can always just go to our website, which is just circlingthedrainpodcast.com, circlingthedrainpodcast.com is where you can find all of the things.

Jen: Cool, and if you don’t know who I am, I’m Jen from MomCave. We’re MomCave TV on all of the things, and in fact, we’re also now on your television. We’re on 100 Smart TV channels if you go to your Roku, your Amazon, or your Apple TV. You can find us on several apps, one is the Binge Networks app, and you can watch this like it’s television, or you can just hang out with us on the internet, which we will continue to do.

Julia Granacki: Fancy.

Jen: Ah, thanks for talking to me, you guys, I’m gonna go put some salve on all my bruises and check my to-do list for the day because I’ve forgotten what it was-

Julia Granacki: Same.

Jen: And we’ll continue.

Ellie Dunn: Same.

Jen: Yeah, we will continue this conversation.

No Butt Pellets

Ellie Dunn: Don’t put a pellet in your butt.

Jen: There will be no pellets in my butt.

Julia Granacki: In your butt.

Jen: Right, I really did think you meant that, so I’m just gonna leave that there. Thank you for clearing that up. You’ve done a service to the internet just by clearing up the fact that the pellets don’t go in your actual butt.

Julia Granacki: Butt hole.

Jen: Butt hole, yeah. Okay, and that’s a great note to end on. Thank you, everybody, for watching. Go share, like, and do all the things. I’m Jen from MomCave, this is Ellie and Julia from “Circling the Drain,” and we’re gonna go about our perimenopausal days. Bye, guys.

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